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Offline Sandra

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Bank Guarantees
« on: January 05, 2007, 03:45:27 PM »
Hi All

I know we have discussed bank guarantees in various topics in the past, but Spanish Property alerts (Spain Property Alerts ) has just sent out their latest newsletter which has some discussion on the subject plus other matters which I thought worth reproducing here (with their kind permission).  However, it may be that "Q" has more input on this subject plus other things to look out for when buying a property in Spain, especially Murcia.


"Consumer protection laws in Spain mean that developers are obliged to insure stage payments received from buyers. In effect, if the developer goes bust, you get your money back via the insurance. But, as is often the case, there can be a gap between theory and practice. Some developers ignore the law. Do ask for and check these guarantees. You need a guarantee in your own name that specifies the sum guaranteed. We have a checklist in the pipeline for SPA members. "

"Going back to those guarantees, I should mention the importance of checking who the guarantee comes from. It should be from a reputable bank, for example. It is not unknown for developers to offer guarantees that are not worth the paper they are written on. You need to read the small print. Better still, as you may not read Spanish well, you need to employ a lawyer who can. And make sure the lawyer is not one that has been recommended by the developer. "

and for those who are planning to build a development, please note the following:!!!!

"Anyone planning a development should take note that the Hacienda has recently confirmed plans to photograph the whole country from the air. This is to spot illegal building activities. This has already taken place in Andalucia, Murcia, Cantabria and Catalunya and the fallout from this is to be announced shortly. The information obtained will be passed on to regional governments across the country. "

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Offline Rob Watchorn

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Re: Bank Guarantees
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2007, 07:28:59 PM »
Hi,

As i only work with the bigger more reputable developers here in the region there are always Bank guarantee's in place for any monies deposited to the developer. That said i did have an instance some time back where the developer i was working with did not guarantee my clients monies so we had to apply through the developers bank for a bank guarantee.

It cost the client (well we actually went halves) 350€ to protect the sum of 100,000€.

We realised afterwards that what we had effectively done was to take out an insurance policy with the bank (a major Spanish bank) so that the clients money was protected even if the developer went bump.

Each developer will work with their own banks and each bank will have a different interpretation of the bank guarantee so its important that you ask your lawyer/ and agent to check out the terms of the bank guarantee.

Many developers, particularly the smaller ones don't like to offer bank guarantees as they can be expensive.

Like i say though treat them all like you would any form of contract and get them checked out by your lawyer, better safe than sorry.

Q.

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Re: Bank Guarantees
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2007, 07:37:40 PM »
Hello Q

Thanks for joining our Forum, and taking the time to provide us with both informative and local information.

We look forward to seeing your next post.

Val and Paul.

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Re: Bank Guarantees
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2007, 08:39:17 PM »
I don't know if this is of any use to anyone as it may be a little late at this point,but intially when our solicitor looked at our contract she was surprised to see that UGR had already put a bank guarantee in the contract .
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2008, 07:59:48 PM »
 We are going over in April to sort out N.I.E. and to get a Bank account sorted. Can any one recommend a good and reliable Bank in the la Tricia area. Also anyone going over in at the end of April that we could meet up.  Gary and Sheana

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Re: Bank Guarantees
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2008, 10:47:08 PM »
Hi Gary and Sheena

We are using Caja Murcia who the mortgage on our property is with.  Unfortunately the branch we went to because of the link with the builders is in Elche.  They have a branch in Basilcas which is the nearest town, which I am sure they would be happy to open an account.  Ask for the internet access on the account which will allow you to access your account from the UK, much in the same way as British banks do.  We will be living full time on UGR, so if you would like to meet up then please let us know.

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Re: Bank Guarantees
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2008, 07:03:06 PM »
Bank Guarantee Woe for Buyers

Some Spanish banks and insurance companies are breaching consumer protection laws by stalling, or refusing to honour guarantees for off-plan stage payments, reports the Spanish daily ‘El Pais’.

Bank guarantees are meant to protect the money of people who buy off plan or under construction, and are required by law. If the developer goes bust, or breaches contract by, for example, missing the delivery deadline, buyers can claim back their money, with legal interest of around 6%, from the financial institution underwriting the guarantee.

But, as the Spanish property market unravels, an increasing number of off-plan property buyers are complaining that banks are refusing to honour their guarantees, reports El Pais.

Many are also finding that they were never provided with a guarantee in the first place, in blatant disregard of consumer protection laws. It has even emerged that Martinsa-Fadesa, one of Spain’s largest listed developers, which recently went into administration, failed to provide bank guarantees for many of its clients.

During the Spanish property boom, when prices were rising strongly, bank guarantees were hardly an issue, as most buyers preferred to hang on for their property, rather than get their money back via the guarantee. Few developers were going bust back then. But now that the Spanish property boom has turned to bust, leading to expectations of falling prices, most buyers would rather get their money back, and the list of developers going to the wall gets longer by the week.

“During the boom, developers were delighted if clients backed out and claimed on their bank guarantees,” a consumer association told El Pais. “Developers had buyers queuing up, so they could easily sell the property again for more money. Clients put up with long delays, and it was normal to allow a grace period of 3 months. Now it is all different.”

Consumer organisations and buyers have complained to the Bank of Spain, which claims it has never received this type of complaint before. The Bank of Spain is preparing a report, for release in September, that criticises the practices of certain banks. “We are still looking into some cases, but the conclusion is that some banks have not behaved diligently,” a source from the Bank of Spain told El Pais.

As one unhappy buyer explained to El Pais, the problem is that many developers now don’t have money to pay their builders, and so many buyers are demanding their money back at the same time.

The Bank of Spain is adamant that the financial institutions underwriting the guarantees must pay out in full if developers are in breach of contract. “The financial institution has to ask the developer if there has been any breach of contract, for example a late delivery. If so, the payout should be automatic,” the Bank explained to El Pais. In practise, an increasing number of people are finding that this is not happening.

“The latest thing I’ve been told by the bank is that the developer is their client, not me,” one frustrated buyer told the paper. And clients of Martinsa-Fadesa, or at least those lucky enough to have a valid guarantee, are finding that banks are using the company’s status under administration as an excuse to delay paying out. This is not a valid excuse, according to Fernando Herrero, VP of the Adicae association of bank users. “The law is clear. If the conditions of the guarantee are satisfied, execution is obligatory, regardless of the situation of the developer.”(Kyero.com)
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